of the sammya. To attain metsu-jinja, metsu-jinja is metsu-jinja, to have no karmic activity, a cessation of all the activity. So for a long time, you know, they practiced jazen literally in this way, attached to this kind of psychological analysis.

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But actual practice cannot be like this actually. You can analyze your practice in that way four or eight, or practice of form world, or practice of no-form world. But actual practice, you know, cannot be like that. So more and more Buddhists started to put more emphasis on actual practice, without analyzing our practice, without being involved in this kind of stages. But if you carefully,

[02:12]

you know, understand this kind of, you know, stages, and the interpretation of the stages, as I explained last night, there is a very important key to the actual practice. But if you miss that kind of point, you will be easily caught by step-by-step, step-rather practice. We call it step-rather practice. There is no end in step-rather practice. At first, you know, you may say

[03:18]

there are three steps. But in each three steps, in each step, there are three steps. In each of the three steps, there are three steps. If you carefully analyze it, so at least we have eighty-one steps or more. Eighty-one, you know, eighty-one. Two hundred and four. Forty-one stages. So, we shouldn't be caught by this kind of interpretation, you know. But we should have eyes to see

[04:21]

what actually means. And the people who set up this kind of teaching, you know, carefully they set up this kind of teaching. And the commentary is, we have a great amount of commentary to those step-brothers. Like practice. So that it cannot be step-rather practice. We should, you know, understand this point. So, Dongen Zen did not ignore this kind of practice and this kind of commentary and this kind of

[05:23]

step-rather practice. But he more put emphasis on the everyday practice, like to serve tea, or to give their teacher water and towel, or a cup of tea. No time for questions tonight.

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