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But it doesn't mean without Buddha or we cannot sit. like having big, gentle, Buddha hall, beautiful gate, you know. But I think that is not always necessary, and always necessary be in that way, you know. So I think we must think this point more.

[01:02]

Is that okay? Ah, did I... Specifically about the philosophy and the sutras and the chanting, and the religion of Buddhism. Ah, chanting. Why that seemed to be necessary? Yeah, chanting is, you know, I explained, you know, this way, I think. Chanting will make your practice deeper, you know. And the feeling chanting our scripture makes your practice pure. In this way, back and forth, we have deeper practice.

[02:12]

So in this sense, chanting is necessary. So in China, they would chant. Some great Zen master would write some beautiful poem about their state of mind, or understanding of teaching. And they would chant it while they are working. we have a style, you know, chanting sutra in walking. In Japan still we do it, you know, in Buddha Hall. With scripture in our hand, we, you know, chant sutra in walking.

[03:13]

That is, I think, very helpful, too. Are there any differences in the way you practice Zen in the United States and the way you practice Zen in Japan? Zen practice is the same, you know. I don't feel, you know, not much difference, you know. Wherever I go, I feel as if I am in Japan. So it is rather difficult to answer your question. You know, American people, Japanese people will say, but if we start to practice Zazen, here is the same. We have same problem.

[04:19]

Yeah, some scholar, you know, wrote a pretty big essay about it. But, you know, satori is more nirvana. Satori is a more positive way of expressing nirvana. Nirvana is more negative way of expressing satori. Actually, same thing, you know. Nirvana? Excuse me, I have to say, you know, nirvana or satori is not something which we strive for or attain.

[05:58]

It is something which will come to you, or you may say, which you have. within yourself, I cannot say within or without, but which is originally there. You feel as if you found out something because before your mind was not able to see it or experience it because of the lavishness we have. So when you, your mind is clear, and when your mind is, when we say clear, it means to get rid of many things, or, you know, anger, or

[07:02]

Ignorance is some disturbance for the mind to see things as it is. Or anger. Or greed. Expect too much of something. which you will end up in discouragement, because your desire is too much. So accordingly, you find yourself in discouragement when you have it. When you feel you have it, oh, this is not what I want. Not what I wanted. This kind of thing is greed. It doesn't mean instinct, but something more than homemade desire.

[08:20]

Not actual desire. actual desire plus something. That something which is added on pure desire, our instinct, will be changed into constant desire to improve ourselves. Here is reality and here is something added. This is a kind of impulse to drive this one, you know. And if this driver is not good, you know, drive you, drive this one, to wrong direction, this one will be lost.

[09:26]

So the driver should be a good driver who knows where this one is going. So if the driver is good, our instinct will be developed into the right direction. And if he is not good, he will be lost. That driver is the desire, we say, when he is foolish, when he is not good one. What am I talking about? So Nibbāna is, if we understand in this way, that is more like enlightenment.

[10:37]

When we have good driver, that is enlightenment. But when we say, you are not so good driver, then that is more like nirvana, after getting rid of bad driver. To get right driver, we should dismiss the wrong one. So to dismiss various evil, not evil, but various wrong activity or desire, it's after getting rid of those things and make this one go in the right direction. It's maybe, in this sense, we call it nirvana. Thank you very much.

[11:52]

We've got a suture pattern. You want a suture pattern? It's easier for you to hold. How old is he? I make nail stand up here. Let's make it. Two fingers, please. And support your book by... Excuse me. Like this. Anyway, have your fish or spring here. with your friends and your family.

[13:07]

You need to come here. Om Namah Shivaya.

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KUNJI SAIKO SATSUYO JIN ANGALA HARA HITACHI SHOKENGO Sakyamuni Buddha. Namo Shakyamuni Buddha Shakyamuni Buddha Shakyamuni Buddha

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Nibhi Seshin Nibhu Shikhi Shakti Nibhi Seshin ko-mi-so-ku-lo-ku-yen. Kai-dai-chi-bu-yi-shi-gi-kai-ku-mu-myo-ya-ku-mu-mu-kyo-chin. Dai-chi-bu-lo-chi-ya-ku-bu-lo-chi-chin. Namo Buddhshu, [...] Namo Shakyamuni Buddha Shakyamuni Buddha Shakyamuni

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Namo Buddhaya Namo Buddhaya Amitabha [...] He's so proud on the shingles. Dear old St.

[19:27]

Pete, we sing of you. Shri Sankutsa Moksa Om Namah Shivaya. and a part of all of us for coming this morning and sharing with us.

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